For my first Seamless interview back in March, I sat down with the visionary that is Craig Crawford and through our conversation, got to know siblings Jess and Sam Goodyear. Both neurodiverse, the siblings’ shared passion for fashion design as well as a mission to redefine the industry through inclusivity, is breaking down barriers and inspiring conversations. Having launched a new brand called NDV as a catalyst for change, I had a great time sitting down with them and chatting all things 3D, neurodiversity and industry transformation.
Disclaimer: Certain types of neurodiversity can impact speech and we wanted to add here that this interview has been edited for clarity and conciseness. While every effort has been made to preserve the authenticity and intent of the interviewees’ responses, some edits were made to improve readability and ensure clear communication. We respect, and greatly enjoyed, the interviewees’ voices and perspectives, and these changes were made solely to enhance understanding for our readership.
Welcome Jess and Sam! I had not realised til our chat that Lucy Goodyear of the Burberry 3D team is also your sibling, so clearly, Fashion Design is a passion shared by all of the Goodyear kids; what inspired you both to get into this field and can you give us a brief overview of your working history to date?
Jessica: Fashion design has been a significant part of our lives from day dot. Growing up, my sister Lucy, who yes, PI Apparel knows well, and I were constantly engaged in creative activities. We would spend hours drawing elaborate ball gowns and making dresses for our dolls. Fortunately, this creativity was nurtured in a very supportive environment, filled with sewing projects and other artistic endeavours.
Throughout school, I always gravitated towards creative subjects which made even more sense when I later discovered I had ADHD because we generally have a higher level of divergent thinking, which is the ability to generate many different ideas or solutions, as well as a natural tendency to think outside the box. And after finishing school, I then pursued fashion and textiles at college, followed by a degree in Fashion Design with Business at university.
After university, I took a brief detour into teaching, which lasted much longer than expected—14 years, to be exact! Even though fashion remained my true passion, I was conflicted with my own moral and ethical issues of fast fashion and overproduction. But eventually, I did transition back after discovering 3D software via my sister, who was using it with her team at Burberry. It seemed like an amazing opportunity to work differently and in a more sustainable manner. I fully immersed myself into it which later paved the way for my role at Modern Mirror, where I started as part of the 3D sample making team for virtual try-on. Over time, I took on more responsibilities, helping to develop a new piece of software and eventually managing the virtual sample making team.
This journey has brought me to where I am today, an independent that is deeply involved in the world of 3D fashion design.
Sam: Similar to Jess, my journey into fashion design also began at a young age. I was always interested in art and creativity, and during my time at college, I became deeply involved in fashion projects. One of my most memorable projects was designing a dress inspired by ants, which I showcased in a catwalk event at college. I also created my own fabrics, printed with handprints, designed outfits for a fashion film project and in my spare time today, also love to do fashion shoots at home as well as creating costumes and participating in local craft activities as part of the Phoenix Rising initiative.
A game-changer for me was when Jess introduced me to the power of 3D which allowed me much more creative and design independence, and to get my ideas down on ‘paper’.
For me, fashion design has always been an outlet where I can express my creativity and make bold, impactful statements. My work has always been a way to channel my ideas into something tangible and beautiful, whether it’s through designing intricate prints or creating unique garments for the runway.
Now Sam, I remember you mentioning a whole host of your Fashion and Film heroes and icons that inspire your approach to design on our prep call. Can you share with us a little about who your biggest inspirations are, and why?
Sam: I draw immense inspiration from a blend of fashion icons and film figures, but in particular, Alexander McQueen, Gareth Pugh, John Galliano and Elizabeth Taylor. McQueen’s dramatic and sometimes eerie designs really resonate with me, reflecting my own fascination with themes from the horror genre, such as those from Hammer Films and directors like Dario Argento.
Elizabeth Taylor’s portrayal of Cleopatra, especially her iconic costumes, have also always fascinated me. The lavish, gold-adorned garments and the striking makeup in the film have inspired me to incorporate similar elements into my own designs, merging the opulence of classic Hollywood with avant-garde fashion.
More generally, I’d like to think I have somewhat of an encyclopaedic knowledge of 1980s culture which also adds to my unique approach to design. These influences definitely come together in my work, where I try to combine high fashion with cinematic elements to create designs that are bold, dramatic, and full of storytelling.
Jessica: Honestly, Sam never stops being inspired and creating. The speed at which he comes up with new designs and concepts is hard to keep up with but it’s a good problem to have!
I bet, and Sam, I of course first came across you during my conversation with Craig Crawford which was my debut interview for Seamless. How was your experience working with Craig as part of the Differently Enabled project?
Sam: Working with Craig was an amazing experience. With Craig, I was able to bring my ideas to life in a way that felt very true to who I am as a designer. I remember working on my leather jacket that I then showcased on the catwalk – it was such a proud moment for me.
He made me feel valued and important and that was really special. We’ve had many great conversations about my inspirations and it’s been exciting to collaborate with someone who appreciates my style and ideas. I’m really happy with the work we did together, and I’m looking forward to more opportunities like this in the future.
Animation of some of the clothes designed for Sam and his wife, Katherine, in collaboration with Craig Crawford and Differently Enabled:
I am not in the least bit surprised to hear that; he’s a one of a kind. Now, Jess, you’ve already touched on this a little, but please can you elaborate on your 3D story with us and how that then underpinned Sam’s ability to create and showcase his work more independently?
Jess: Yes, of course. Well as I mentioned, I was teaching at the time and was home visiting family when my sister showed me the 3D work she had been implementing at Burberry – I was immediately hooked!
I initially tried to teach myself the software, but quickly realised I needed more guidance which led me to a two-week summer course at the Amsterdam Fashion Institute. I spent all of that summer immersing myself in 3D, practising, recreating looks I found online, and honing my skills. And I guess, I’ve never looked back! It was the catalyst to my move back into fashion.
From the get go, I was drawn to how quickly and easily I could generate, visualise, and modify ideas.
Around the same time, Sam was continuously drawing his own designs, trying to translate the ideas in his imagination onto paper. However, he often struggled to capture what he envisioned, which led to frustration. We tried various methods to help him, like using paper templates and eventually moving to an iPad with a stylus, but it wasn’t until I started using 3D that I realised digital tools could open up new possibilities for him as well.
I initially began by printing out screenshots of CLO avatars for Sam to draw over, providing him with a more realistic canvas. Then, one day, it dawned on me – why not see if he could actually use the software himself? There was no reason to assume he couldn’t. So, I brought him to our parents’ house, set up my laptop, and we gave it a try. To my delight, Sam quickly took to the software, enjoying the process and eager to learn more which started with small sessions whenever I visited so he gradually became more proficient.
Just before the pandemic hit, we upgraded his laptop, and Sam started using CLO more regularly. When lockdowns began, Sam had all the time he needed to practise, and he threw himself into it. His progress during this period was honestly remarkable; he essentially taught himself, with only occasional guidance from me. By the time restrictions eased, Sam’s skills had improved dramatically and at that point he was able to create and modify designs almost entirely on his own.
The culmination of all of his hard work came when he was invited to participate in a digital fashion event called MetaFash, where he created a collection that was showcased in augmented reality. This then led to further opportunities, including an artist residency where he designed an NFT featuring the model Viktoria Modesta.
And his work impressed everyone so much that he was offered a position at the company I was working for, Modern Mirror, as part of their virtual sample-making team. So yes, 3D launched Sam onto his own incredible trajectory; it’s been incredible to witness his growth.
It underscores the idea that with the right tools and support, people with neurodiverse backgrounds can achieve amazing things. Sam’s story is a powerful reminder that we should never assume limitations on someone’s ability to learn and create.
What an amazing story and a testament to the power of these platforms in opening doors for people. On the topic of Modern Mirror, Sam what did you do there and Jessica, in what ways did Sam’s neurodiversity impact the working environment and the team?
Sam: I was an artist in Residence at Modern Mirror and a 3D Fashion Designer. As part of this, I not only continued to hone my 3D design skills but also learned important aspects of pattern cutting and garment construction which, in turn, has allowed me to work more independently, expressing my creativity more freely, and showcasing my abilities to a broader audience. As far as my impact goes, I will pass over to you Jess…
Jessica: Listen, Sam’s neurodiversity had a profound and positive impact on the working environment and team dynamics at Modern Mirror. His presence brought a unique and uplifting energy that resonated deeply with everyone. During weekly meetings, his presentations of his work were often the highlight for many team members, who found his creativity and enthusiasm incredibly inspiring. Beyond his technical contributions, Sam’s calm, kind, and thoughtful demeanour had a soothing effect on the team, particularly during high-stress moments and his ability to check in on others and offer reassurance helped maintain a supportive and cohesive team atmosphere.
I am of course biased, but as far as I am concerned, Sam’s involvement went far beyond his design work, contributing significantly to the team’s morale, cohesion, and overall positive working environment.
All strong qualities for a great team player and morale booster! Now, you are both neurodiverse, Jess with your ADHD and Sam with your Down Syndrome. What are some of the misconceptions you have come up against when trying to work within the traditional fashion industry?
Jess: From what I have experienced, neurodiverse individuals often face several misconceptions that can create barriers to their success, Sadly, this is not unique to fashion.
I would say the biggest misconception is the assumption that individuals with neurodiverse conditions have a limited ability to learn and contribute meaningfully to complex fields like fashion. This belief leads to gatekeeping, where people are prevented from accessing opportunities due to preconceived notions about their capabilities.
Another challenge is the lack of flexibility in traditional job roles. The fashion industry, like many others, tends to create roles based on a rigid set of expectations rather than building roles around the strengths and skills of individuals. This approach can exclude neurodiverse talent who may not fit neatly into traditional job descriptions but have a wealth of creativity and unique perspectives to offer
Sam: I hope that my story highlights how, given the right tools and support, neurodiverse individuals can thrive in creative fields. By learning and mastering the software, I’d like to think I have been able to overcome traditional barriers and have demonstrated that…
…the key to inclusivity lies in providing opportunities, being open to unconventional paths, and fostering environments where neurodiverse individuals can develop and showcase their talents.
Well said! Now to turn the question on its head, what are some of the opportunities that working with neurodiverse people could bring to the table?
Jess: For one, it challenges the traditional norms and barriers within the industry, encouraging a more inclusive environment that values diverse perspectives and talents. Neurodiverse individuals often possess distinct ways of thinking, which can lead to innovative and creative outcomes that might not emerge in more homogenous teams.
Integrating neurodiverse people into fashion companies can also enhance team dynamics and morale. Sam’s presence at Modern Mirror, as I mentioned, was as much about his technical work as it was his enthusiasm, creativity, and positive attitude which significantly uplifted the team’s spirits. His ability to bring fresh ideas and his unique approach to design made him a valued member beyond his expected contributions and led to a more cohesive and motivated team environment.
Lastly, I’d like to think that embracing neurodiversity in the workforce can lead to broader social and cultural changes within the fashion industry. By showcasing the capabilities of neurodiverse individuals, companies can break down stereotypes and encourage a more inclusive and accepting industry. This not only benefits the individuals involved but also enriches the industry as a whole by introducing new perspectives and innovative approaches to design and production.
I think it’s safe to say that in this day and age we are short of creative thinkers and new perspectives across the board so the more the merrier! Now, let’s talk about NDV: what is it, what are its drivers, and how do you hope to impact inclusivity in the fashion workplace?
Jess: NDV stands for ‘NeuroDiverse’, and it’s the brand that Sam and I have been developing together. The idea behind NDV came from our shared passion for fashion and my strong belief in advocating for inclusivity, especially for neurodiverse individuals. On paper I guess we’d appear to be another digital fashion house but it’s so much more than that; it’s about starting and supporting conversations around providing access and opportunities for neurodiverse creatives through fashion design.
It’s no secret that the fashion industry is known for being exclusive, and we want to challenge that by showing that neurodiverse people can bring incredible creativity and value to the industry.
Through NDV, we aim to create beautiful, digitally crafted designs while also sparking conversations about how companies could change for the better. The goal is not just to sell fashion but to inspire a shift in mindset across the industry.
Sam: NDV is where I get to show off my designs and creativity. Jess and I work together – she helps refine my ideas and make them ready for the world to see. We want to show that people like us have talents that should be recognised and celebrated and we hope that NDV will open doors for others who are neurodiverse and want to work in fashion.
I love that! Can you elaborate on its immediate and longer-term business model?
Jess: In the short term, NDV is focusing on digital fashion. We’re creating digital garments and collections that can be sold or used in virtual environments which will allow us to explore creative designs without the environmental impact associated with traditional fashion production. In the longer term, we’re considering moving into physical production, but with a focus on sustainability. That could mean a pre-order model where pieces are only produced once they’re purchased, minimising waste, but ideas are still being ironed out. Beyond just selling fashion though, NDV’s broader mission is to consult companies on how and why they should integrate neurodiverse talent into their workforces.
What is it like working with your sibling on such an important project?
Jess: I absolutely love working with Sam. We’ve always been close, and we’ve done creative things together since we were kids, so it feels natural. Sam’s creativity and enthusiasm are infectious, and he’s very professional about his work. Of course, like any siblings, we have our moments, but we understand each other so well that we usually work through any challenges easily. It’s also incredibly rewarding to see Sam’s growth and confidence, knowing that we’re doing something important together.
Sam: Working with Jess is fun! She understands my ideas and helps me make them even better. We’ve always done things together, so this feels right. Sometimes, she tries to make my designs more practical, which I admit can be a bit annoying, but we usually agree on the overall outcome. I love that we get to create together.
If NDV could collaborate with any living fashion designer and/or icon, who would it be and why?
Jess: If we could collaborate with anyone, I think Sam would choose Alexander McQueen if he were still with us. But as that isn’t possible, collaborating with someone like Gary James McQueen, who works in digital fashion and carries on his uncle’s legacy, would be incredible. More generally, any collaboration that respects Sam’s vision and brings more neurodiverse talent into the spotlight would be a dream come true.
Sam: Yes, I’d love to work with the Alexander McQueen family in some way and I also really like Thierry Mugler and Vivienne Westwood. I’d also love to work within the international fashion scene like in Paris and Italy in some way. But ultimately, we want to work with designers who think outside the box, value diversity and want to help foster a shift to a more inclusive industry, so we are open if anyone wants to get in touch!
What would you like to say to those reading this that work in the Fashion space with regards to the importance of diversifying their workforce?
Jess: For me, it’s about opening up discussions within your company to identify spaces where new roles can be created, especially for individuals who may have been traditionally overlooked. It’s important to think beyond financial costs and recognise the immense support available from charities and organisations like the Down Syndrome Association’s WorkFit programme.
By considering how these individuals can contribute, even in entry-level roles, we not only help them realise their dreams but also enrich the workplace environment. Creating these opportunities fosters true inclusion, beyond mere tokenism, and positively impacts the entire company by lifting morale and breaking down preconceived barriers. Let’s start having these conversations and expanding diversity and inclusion to encompass those who are often left out! Get in touch!
And let’s end with this: Sam, what advice would you give to other aspiring neurodiverse designers who dream of working in the fashion industry?
Sam: My advice is to never give up on those dreams. Take inspiration from people like me, who never saw barriers and believed in my potential. Use digital tools as your entry point which allow you to learn and compete regardless of formal education. And remember, there isn’t just one way into the fashion industry—find what suits your skills and keep pushing forward.
Perseverance and creativity will help you find your unique path.
Behind the scenes with Sam Goodyear as he talks CLO and Substance:
Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me today Jess and Sam and best of luck with NDV! Stay in touch and looking forward to seeing all the wonderful things you accomplish!
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